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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 7:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi bomb!

The EC120 is great. I've done about an hour and a half in it so far. We do have one at Coventry from time to time which we use for river tours and charter (and some training). It's not permanently based but can be made available if required. The Bell 206 is also great. I fly that quite often. For the small difference between the R44 and B206, you might want to consider learning in the 206. The R44 is a great machine but the prices are getting so close with the rising costs of AVGAS and turbine time is very important.

There aren't any insurance restrictions hours wise on hiring our 206 provided you've trained with us or have been checked out and obtained the approval of the head of training.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 7:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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That's the one thing that's been putting me off - everywhere I've spoken to (incl. where I trained) is 15 - 25hrs post type rating before you can SFH on your own. All because of insurance.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Veeany,

You got a better 'spies' netowork than me??? Sad

Don't know if we are thinking about the same incident or not. The operator was a company I'm not overly fond of if that helps narrow it down? Albeit I'm not intimate with exactly how the repair bill breaks down.

Given the circumstances involved I hold the supervising company pilot far more responsible than the freelance guy doing the flying. But that's just my viewpoint on a historical matter

FWIW in the case I mention, I've found the pilot to be a sensible, reliable, honest and decent fellow and I agree completely it takes balls and was to the pilots credit that a full and honest 'hands up' was forthcoming. We all know pilots who would be far less 'helpful'

My point was merely that the fear of extra instantaneous damage is probably enough to pre occupy a complete novice, a fear that would not be so prevalant in something more forgiving like an R44.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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That's the one thing that's been putting me off - everywhere I've spoken to (incl. where I trained) is 15 - 25hrs post type rating before you can SFH on your own. All because of insurance.


Most of our hour-builders / type rating "graduates" self-fly-hire and position the JetRanger as soon as they're qualified and have been signed off by the head of training. Obviously we don't let them lose unless we're sure they're comfortable enough with starting it / flying it but there's not a minimum number of hours you have to have.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 7:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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We are thinking about the same incident and the same chap, I may be off the mark about the outcome, but I believe I am right.

Slight Hijack that might be worth moving to a seperate thread (sorry)

I don't believe a blanket 15-25hrs policy is the right thing to do, and from observation alone in the last 10yrs a lot helicopter companies who have had a policy of at the HOTs discretion have had their fingers (or their turbines) burned and now have a different policy and now operate a minimum number of hours. I think you perhaos need to combine the two but I know of a couple of people who I wouldn't lend a jetranger to who have 100+ hours on type.

I think it all comes down to the pilot his previous experience (which does not just consist of hours but thats another debate completely) and his attitude. I regularly borrow 109s from a company who know me well and before I go they boroscope inspect both engines, and when I return they do the same. They've had their fingers burnt and I don't blame them (and no not by me, but I did warn them about the guilty party).

Who is better to be let loose on his own in a Jetranger (or 120 or 350)

a) A 20 hr student just about to go first solo.
b) A 350hr PPL who files 44s and has just completed a type rating in a 206.
c) A 195hr CPL who has only ever flown R22s and has just completed a type rating in a 206.

Answers on a post card please.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 7:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry to ask, any one got a mobile number for flying foxy, supposed to be flying with hime today and I need to speak to him asap ??
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 8:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Check your pms.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 9:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Veeany,

We can compare notes on the 26th Nov over 'refreshments' if you like Very Happy

Re the turbine SFH. If a student is signed off as competent to act as P1 by an examiner, is it not an oxymoron to then insist on a safety pilot?????

Either the student is good enough to pass or not surely.

Point in case. Post my S76 TRT that was all completed in a sim and after one check ride in the actual aircraft I was set loose repositioning P1 billy no mates. Aside from a much bigger potential repair bill I don't see any real difference Confused

Perhaps it's just me Laughing
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