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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 10:49 pm    Post subject: First Flight Reply with quote

Today I had my initiation in a R44. It was totally brill! Hydraulics - governor - unheard of luxuries. It was fast too and a great experience.
Many thanks to Phill at Central Helicopters for the tuition and hands on. (My first instructor for doing my licence). Autos were good - such a nice slow sink rate.

Must go again..

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's great Foxy! Does this mean a type conversion is imminent? Are you planning to continue flying the 300? I've got my R22 and R44 LPCs coming up soon. I have to get a new diary just for LPCs as I have 4 types to keep track of now! Laughing

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh yes I'll keep the 300 current as that's my 'pet' a/c. I'd like to do the R44 rating, as and when I can afford the hours! 2 hours on type to do to get my licence revalidated, hopefully in the next 2-3 weeks then I'll feel happier again. I have my heart set on an hour in the 500E I've found living at Gamston.. That will be a real treat and it's much longed for.

Well done with your JR conversion WG, you almost have EGSY as your second home!

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 7:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Foxy,

(Sorry not to reply to your text - I didn't see it until late Thursday - in meetings all day! Sad )

Glad you enjoyed the R44 - is it a Raven II they have there? Fabulous machine. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello James,

I'm not sure if it's a Raven II, it's G-DSPI so you might find a way to check. (G-INFO?) Still painted in a corporate colour scheme from its previous life in silver and purple (!) though it does look very good. Sure you must have seen it buzzing over your house?
We did a very large circuit for the initial sortie, (27 left) up the A52, left on the A606, to Widmerpool, down the A46 to the A52 junction and along there past Radcliffe and back over the fields to the airfield - VERY quickly! My goodness it moves fast.

Most enjoyable.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's an Astro.

Yup, I've seen it around - never looked closely enough though!
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 8:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hydraulics in an Astro? I must have gotten the wrong impression somehow cos I thought only Ravens had hydraulics? Is this not so?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 9:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A couple of Astro's here in Australia have had hydraulics retro-fitted...makes them a really nice machine compared to the trim. I was of the understanding that machine had to be sent back to the states to have it done though? Don't know that just what I have heard.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Something in the back of my mind, from a conversation (either in a forum or elsewhere) I heard was that there was a drive output (covered or hidden, but there) on the R44 engine for 'something' to be designed/fitted at a later date..now was that hydraulics or air-con?

I remember WG saying to me before she did her 269 rating that she wondered how she'd cope without a governor (the 269 is fully manual in every respect although the C and CBi don't have carb heat - yeah) but I had to be reminded when taking off (in the R44) that I was trying to use the throttle when all I had to do was lift the lever - it's a nice feature and I could soon get used to it, but 75 hours of working a twist-grip is hard to forget!

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Funny you should mention that about the governor, I did all my training in a Beta2, Raven1 and Raven2. It is surprising how lazy you get with the governor. When the instructor pulls the circuit breaker for the governor I find it a bit of a struggle for the first few minutes to keep everything under control. so any flying with out a goveror is good practice I reckon.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think Hydraulics have been available as retro-fit for some time - I thought it was only Raven IIs that had them as standard actually.

Air conditiioning is an optional or retro-fit, and I think has only been around for a year, ish?


As for governor-off flying - it's a nothing really. (Other than that governor has to be on for normal flight!) The correlator in the Robbos is pretty good anyway - remember, early R22s didn't have a governor! A good pair of ears to listen to the tone of engine/rotors is all that's needed. But then, you're ears are finely tuned to the minutest of noise changes anyway, aren't they? Wink Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wrong all round.

Hydraulics were available on Astros as a factory fitted item. There are a number of Astros around 500 - 700 that have this in the UK (and Australia, one of the machines, an Astro, I flew in Bankstown was H equipped).

Raven I's were standard hydraulic but you could ask for the electric trim if you wanted (popular..). The Raven I also carried the adjustable rudder pedals and pistol grip cyclic, so the way to spot the Astro is in these two places.

The E trim fleet will gradually die out at 12 year rebuilds when the H kit can be fitted.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I sit corrected... Rolling Eyes Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 9:07 pm    Post subject: R44 Reply with quote

Hi foxy i did my ppl at Gamston 3 years ago and they operate an R44 out of there as well as the 500e, Md 900 and several r22s out of all of them i think the R44 is a fantastic all round machine and great machine to fly.
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