What is it? Well, it's when an ATP pilot stands out in the snow too long.
Seriously, I had noticed the usage of "Frozen ATP" in a signature somewhere in the forum, and in various other places on the web, and did some research on the terminology.
"There is no such thing as a 'frozen ATPL' exam (or even a 'frozen ATPL'). The term 'Frozen ATPL' originated in UK/Europe and is nothing more than a convenient way to describe a person who holds a CPL, IR & all ATPL exams passed but has not yet had an ATPL issued. Usually that's because he or she does not yet meet one or more of the ATPL minimum experience requirements and/or has not met an ATPL issue flight test prerequisite but occassionally the person just may not have bothered even after meeting all the prerequisites."
You can read the entire commented post here from the PPRuNe Forum (Professional Pilots Rumor Network):
In the US, we do not use the terminology at all. If a pilot needs to complete additional flight requirements for the ATP rating, the written is valid for two years. If the pilot has not competed what was needed by then, probably doesn't remember the theory anyway, and the FAA will want the written re-taken.
Sad but true!
Gotta go now.........
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Joined: Jul 20, 2004 Posts: 3702 Location: Birmingham, UK
Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 8:04 pm Post subject:
I often get asked the question shall I do CPL or ATPL theory? Back in the day it was a question that crossed my mind too and I found it all too confusing. I chose CPL.
It would be interesting to know other's thoughts on the subject. I did CPL, and to be honest if I'd done my ATPL exams I wouldn't have been able to afford the IR within 3 years anyway. So for me it was the right choice and my money was better spent on the FI rating. I guess it depends on whether you're dead set on going offshore though.
It would be really interesting to know how many people did ATPL and ended up not using it or having their exams lapse after 3 years.
Joined: Feb 14, 2008 Posts: 888 Location: Stavanger, Norway
Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 8:37 pm Post subject:
I did ATPL, at the time I knew no better and just thought that was the way. But I had planned on going offshore at somepoint, however with the NS job issues at the time I had lost hope of being sponsered for an IR. Then out of the blue Norsk gave me the opporunity providing I paid my own IR. So I took the loan and did it. I was lucky, Martin "The Man" Marsh extended my exams beyond the 3 years as there was no available spaces on IR courses prior to my exams expiring.
ATPL - If you want to go NS it's a must!
CPL - If you wish to stay onshore, however onshore folks can later in their career get the opportunity to fly corporate (Premiair etc.) or HEMS and therefor you will require an IR. But to go and do the extra exams is not a big deal, just have get get the head in the books for a bit.
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Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 11:07 am Post subject:
An interesting one indeed. I've just embarked on the ATPL ground school route. I'm waiting for a big box full of books to arrive.
I've not really made any firm decision on if whether or not to do the IR but I just want to keep my options open and I figure if my head is in the books anyway then why not suffer on a little longer and do those extra exams. I like the IR stuff a lot but word on the street is that it is probably the HARDEST thing you will ever do in aviation and it's none too cheap either.
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Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 8:59 pm Post subject: CPL(H) VS ATPL(H)
I'm new to the site so will try not to make too much of an ass of myself.
I've searched through the forums for a couple of answers but haven't found them so i would like to pose a couple of questions.
1) CPL vs ATPL, am I correct in thinking you have 3 years after ATPL exams to gain IR otherwise the ATPL was unnecessary.
2) Reading LASORS (G3.3) I found this "The holder of a JAR-FCL CPL(H) and IR(H) satisfies the knowledge requirements for the issue of an ATPL(H)."
Does this mean if you have CPL, IR and the required hours for ATPL you may apply for an ATPL?
Finally, I'm based around London, Wycombe Air Park to be precise, and could do with some advice on CPL and ATPL ground schools based near me.
I would need to do distance learning for work reasons. Bristols has been recommended to me, but they only do ATPL, CAPT - Caledonian, is another that has been mentioned for the CPL but I don't know anyone thats been there.
CAPT are pretty much the place to go now for helicopter commercial theory training, yes I am biased I know Phil well enough to say that he is committed to what he does (obsessed almost) he was the first person to come up with dedicated helicopter training, not the fixed wing stuff that most of the others seem to do.
Brtistol are a great bunch, thats where I went before CAPT was approved but they are (or were) fixed wiing with a helicopter afterthought.
CAPT are also based at Wycombe so its almost a no brainer.
There are more than just flight hours total requirements for the issue of an ATPL, you need multi crew time for one and multi engine time also.
Also now remember that the theoretical knowledge for the CPL does not cover you for the prerequisites for the first Multi Engine rating, only the ATPL writtens now do so. It you don't have ATPL theoretical knowledge you must complete the Multi Engine Pre Entry course. The only company I am aware of who hold this approval are CAPT.
Sorry if this sounds like an advert its not meant to, but no one else has yet bothered to get all the approvals to do these courses but Phil as far as I am aware.
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