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PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2004 12:37 pm    Post subject: Oh Sh*T ! Reply with quote

Okay...

You are in the pattern flying the down wind leg. 70Kts, 1000' AGL and all's tickityboo.

Just about to turn base and reduce power when:

The Collective's Stuck at 22" MAP Shocked

What do you do?

Please don't include all the R/T stuff - just FLY IT!
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2004 6:53 pm    Post subject: Stuck collective! Reply with quote

1. Check friction is off collective.
2. Roll throttle to decrease manifold pressure but leave enough revs not
less than 90%, and go for running landing.
3. Swear! Check MAP gauge, may be faulty, use throttle to check.
4. Shallow descent not exceeding 60 knots.
5. Aim for a running landing at 20 knots or less.

And, fly carefully and put out PAN call!

Any other suggestions gratefully received.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 04, 2004 6:30 am    Post subject: Re: Stuck collective! Reply with quote

blme wrote:
3. Swear!


Love no. 3! Very Happy

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 04, 2004 7:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh I forgot Wink

The collective comes off in your hand (you don't have P2's set fitted)
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2004 7:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's exactly what I'd do Wink

Play around with it - don't panic and FLY!

This is turning out to be a bit of a confession.....

I was flying a R44, initially with 3 pax. I dropped them off at the site rotors running. I wasn't aware that I'd landed on slightly un-even ground. Those of you that know the R44 well, will understand when I say that the airframe twists a little in these conditions (I didn't at that time). The front seat pax closed his door and I lifted off.

At around 1000' I was aware of a draft and and an odd wind noise. I looked around the cabin and noticed that the front left door upper pin hadn't located in the hole that secures it to the door frame.

What I did next was possibly the most stupid thing ever Confused I reached over and opened the bloody door with the intention of slamming it shut!!!

Well I couldn't could I Shocked I used all my strength preventing it from coming off the aircraft and possibly going into the tail. I had one hand gripping the left door and was flying with the other - no collective.

Thought about it, didn't panic (except for hoping my grip on the door didn't give up) and increased speed to decend to a farmers field. At around 20' I was able to flare and close the door at the same time once the inside pressure had released.

Moral of the story - Always check doors are secure before lifting off!

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2004 8:51 am    Post subject: Scary Reply with quote

Wow! Scary moment!! Shocked It all sounds a little complicated, I assume they theory is easier to understand with a practical demonstration... perhaps they should include losing the collective in the PPL(H) sylabus!

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Talking abot close calls.......i was once kind of near to fall out off a CH-46 during a hammerhead similar manouver.

One should NOT stand unstrapped in the cabin near the entrance door, while upper door is open.....i held on to a strutbar in the roof and hung on the seconds we turned, and then put on my harness Shocked The Captain in command forgot to brief by the intercom that he was about to do this manouver, but it turned out well.....
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And I hope you 'rebriefed' the capt several times on landing??

Nearly lost a Spaniel search dog doing a 270' roll once!! The handler hadnt got hold of it properly and it nearly flew out the open doorgunners door as we err sort of rolled inverted! Oops! Good job its lead was strong. Shocked
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2004 6:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We had a search dog which liked to sit between the cockpit seats during transit in the Puma...

It once jumped around chasing a fly on the front screen - nearly ended up on the lap of the P1 Shocked
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2004 8:38 am    Post subject: Rolling Dogs In Heli's Reply with quote

You guys are mad!! (in the nicest possible way) Shocked

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2004 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, but Thomas Coupling was a Puma puke so probably wore womens underwear under his flying suit. Laughing Laughing Not to mention a mess kit made from crympolene and white socks!! TC, tell them you looked like a steward on a P&O ferry..... Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2004 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nah - Green Gabardine knickers nicked from the Bessbrook WRAC washing lines Wink
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This conversation is going downhill... Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2004 10:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dont get me wrong.... i like doing wild things in helicopters! The faster, quicker, more agile the flying gets, the merrier Twisted Evil BUT in a safe way !!
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