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PostPosted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 8:52 pm    Post subject: Do you wear a helmet when you instruct? Reply with quote

Am i odd or is it just weird that when i'm instructing that i where a flight helmet? I have been catching alot of flack for this, but there has to be others out there that are like me? I should also add that i also wear a nomex flight suit. I'm a instrument instructor in Washington state.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Angelflight - In my opinion its smart. Remember you can drown in only one inch of water. You land on your head from 10 ft then its history.

Check out the story in the Articles section of the site here and you will feel much better about wearing your helmet when instructing.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Angelflight!

Welcome to HeliTorque! Very Happy

Which types do you instruct on? I must say its not that common that people wear helmets where I trained, but I can see the sense in it and I am sure there are other out there that do.

Look forward to hearing others opinions on this subject!

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also instruct in Washington, but do not wears a helmet the school i trained at and teach at no ones wears them. I have seen one student with a helmet but he stoped wearing in the summer said it was to hot and uncomfortable?

They are not a bad idea and can't hurt to wear one. Razz
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

great idea , here comes the but...........

if you wear one and dont give one to your passenger you are looking at a visit to a coronors court, a helmet will protect you but when/if you crash your head/helmet weighs more and so will move more in any impact thus if you wallow round in the cockpit you bang your well protected head into the nice voulnerable head of you passenger killing them - not good pr

if you give one to your passenger you need multiple helmets for sizing at huge cost to yourself/employer

you portray a risk element to potential clients - not great on a trial lesson

having said that many heli crash victims have been saved by thier helmet or were killed due to a lack of one, take your pick which way to go .my personal view is training no, passenger charter no and utility work (usually done with the same crew so threfor the employer pays for everyone) yes
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 11:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used a helmet for a little while in Florida, but it was very hot and uncomfortable.

I stopped wearing it because a lawyer told me that if something happens the student could file a suit against me, of not letting him wear a helmet etc. So you basically have to warn the student or passengers that they should wear a helmet and if not let them sign a waiver.....

I always wear a nomex flightsuit, nomex underwear and nomex gloves.

Since I'm in the UK now I will use my helmet again, and decided just to tell the student to get one as well. (lawsuits not only less likely, but I just don't want to die because of not wearing a helmet)

Head injury is the major cause of death in a crash.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 2:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wear the helmet. too late to be looking for it when bits start flying off the machine.

portray the risk to the client on the trial flight, the more you can scare them, not with the flying, but the risks involved, might keep them alive longer.

If youre in the coroners court don't worry about the passengers.. worry about the family lawyers.

depends on the country u are in i guess, just my two cents, oh yeah ignore me anyway, i don't instruct...
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 7:22 pm    Post subject: helmet usage Reply with quote

Just a quick update

Sunshine Coast - Queensland
You may have heard of the incident where an instructor had just landed and left the helicopter. A student was still in the cockpit.

He had just taken his helmet off and decided to return to the helicopter. Unfortunately he was then struck on the head by a blade on a 300.

He had been seriously ill since that time.


Regretfully, he passed away 11.30pm last Wednesday

Our sympathies are extended to his family, relatives & friends
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm still wondering about this one.

As posted earlier - to recreate the scenario must have involved a freak wind gust - is there a report on this accident detailing the circumstances of the strike? The blade at rest (i.e. drooping slightly) is my height PLUS an arm's length above me (I'm 6'4") to get a palm on the blade tip. Rotating surely is a flatter disc so the tips would be higher than at rest.

Sorry for the Instructor and his family, tragedy.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

was on a 300 aye? must have been sloping ground, or maybe the student was moving the controls and didnt' see the guy coming back.

Hueys and jrs you will get the blades down to 6' on flat ground, but no idea on those 300's.

I know of a couple of guys that cut up their loaders on deer recovery, guys just walked down or up through the disc on REAL sloping ground.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 10:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The sloping ground issue was raised (I think by Catwoman) but this was on an apron so the ground would be level. This is the first mention I've seen of there being a student at the controls.. See my earlier post on where the blades sit at rest - MINIMUM 7'6" off the ground I'd say (can't find my blue book at pres)

He must be feeling pretty sick if there was a student in.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 11:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

at rest with a 300 at 7'6". what about blades turning, stick right forward. be careful measuring, don't want to hear of another accident Shocked

I would have thought that they would come quite a way down, as they are a small machine, however all my experience is with two bladers and any of them will chop you with a bit of bad luck.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

just found the article posted by someone else, blades were slowing down, so wouldn't need a real big wind gust would you. once again 2 blade experience but the blades flap like crazy in any wind. 3 blades should be a bit more stable but obviously it can happen...
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 1:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have worn a helmet SPH5 since the latter end of my commercial training and i now wouldnt fly without it summer or winter and yes it can get hot, I also wear a nomex flight suit .

I have never had any comments from passengers about why I have a helmet and if I did I would point out that its in the interest of their safety and mine I allways have the visor down clear or tinted .
You will allways get people for and against or on the fence but what I have found even with my limited time that if the instructor wears a helmet chances are the students will and I don't see a problem .

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 3:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

a guy down here in NZ just got a knock on the head from an AS350 blade. Not the pilot, was ground crew, loading passengers, while pilot was in the machine. He lived to tell the tale which is good, i think he got a sore head Shocked went to hospital with a cracked skull or something.

So be careful coming and going, whoever you are.
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