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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 1:48 pm    Post subject: new learner looking for advice Reply with quote

hi, i have always wanted to be a helicopter pilot and am sick of being stuck in a dead end job, so i thought "stuff it".. im going to start training at helicenter at liverpool airport..

i just wanted to ask, how much does it cost to do the personal licence? and could i do a lesson every 2 weeks - month?

also.. i want to work towards my commercial licence, so.. should i get the personal licence first or get a student licence?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PPL(H) - minimum course time (assuming no fixed wing credits) is 45 hours flying. National average is closer to 60 though. By the time you've factored in your medical, and the books and ground school exams I wouldn't expect a huge amount of change from 14,000.

Getting a commercial licence is a whole load more expensive. Circa 50K if you follow the modular route, and you'll need to allow extra money for your Class 1 medical from the CAA ,your ground school, and the 14 exams you'll sit with the CAA. Also and most importantly as a newly qualified CPL(H) your chances of finding employment are just about zero.

Post CPL people tend to choose one of two paths.
1) Instructor rating. Zero to FI about 70-75K. Some chance of work (although remember the UK's current economic problems!), slow progress, low earnings and in some cases poor working conditions.
2) Instrument rating aka 'IR'. Costs similar to the FI route. Higher risk, but with potentially far higher gain. As your path then hopefully leads to the offshore oil/gas industry.

If you are considering a commercial licence get the Class 1 medical before you spend loads on flying, 'cos if you can't get the medical you won't get a CPL. Contact the CAA directly for medical details and costs.

A good starting point would be www.caa.co.uk
Search for a publication called LASOR's and download it for free (alternatively spend 10 and buy it from your flying school/aviation supplies shop). LASOR's will detail all the requirements that need to be met for licence issue, as well as lots of other useful stuff.

Good luck whatever you decide,

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks for the advice Very Happy

would asma affect me getting my class 1 medical? i dont suffer badly at all..
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HI

I asked the same questions (albeit about class 2)

The discussion of it is here http://www.helitorque.com/portal/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=2734
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

paul_4xxxx wrote:
thanks for the advice Very Happy

would asma affect me getting my class 1 medical? i dont suffer badly at all..


You will do standard peak flow and spyrometry etc etc... possibly request you do a chest x-ray as well to make sure but if you don't suffer badly at all then i reckon you'd meet minimum requirements
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

so working up from private licence to commercial, with IR will cost around 120k??

i will get a introductory day booked and will have a chat to the instructor about wether or not i could space my lessons out to make it more affordable, i can only spare around 100 per week for lessons and i have to take the girlfriend out every now and then to keep her happy... lol
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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cheers for the advice, i will get a introductory day booked and will have a chat to the instructor about wether or not i could space my lessons out to make it more affordable, i can only spare around 100 per week for lessons and i have to take the girlfriend out every now and then to keep her happy... lol


Thats exactly the right attitude, you can do your flying as much as you want, whatever fund lie, obviously its ideal to be flying regularly and doing the ground schools alongside but that doesnt work for people, some people fly once once a month!
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did ask my instructor whether it was worth having e.g. a lesson a month and he said not really, as you end up having to relearn so much it will cost more in the long run. Some people suggest getting a loan or saving up first so you can so it all in a shorter space of time. But don't stop taking the girlfriend out Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 4:57 pm    Post subject: Training Reply with quote

I'm jumping in with Jen. Sporadic training works against you. It is far better to do as much as you can, often to retain skills. Progress will follow at a faster rate.

As has been suggested, if you can carry the loan, it is better to do it now, then space it out till "later".

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

will see if the bank of mum and dad can pay for a lesson a month for me then. will get 2-3 lessons per month in then
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hey i had to persuade my parents to open up the RESP fund to help me in my endeavor! But you know what, as long as you can get some hours and training it shouldn't matter!
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome Paul,

Welcome to the madhouse! Where abouts are you based?

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

anglesey at the moment, but when my girlfriend finishes her degree, were moving to where the work is Very Happy im hoping to work my way up to commercial helicopter licence with IR so i can work the oil rigs
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Probably a bit out of your way, but if you fancy coming along to a career seminar we're holding several over the next few weeks at Coventry. Here are the list of dates. Free to attend and a good way to find out about the whole process of getting from scratch to CPL(H), FI(H), etc. and learn about job prospects in the industry.

More information here...

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

not that far away from me really... just 3 hour drive.. could even go there for lessons if its cheaper or better than liverpool Cool
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