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PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 10:25 pm    Post subject: The cost of learning Reply with quote

Hi All,

I've heard figures of 10k being banded about for getting your PPL(H) but is this really true? From my initial investigations its more like this:

50 Hours @ 240 = 12000
Exams 7 @ 40 = 280
Test @ 200
Helicopter hire for test 175
Medical 100
Books 100
Total = 12855
Vat @ 17.5% = 2250

Final Total = 15105

Then for every 5 hours it takes over 50 hours its an extra 1410, so realistically I'm looking at 15 to 20k

Are there any other costs I should be aware of?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The CAA will also charge you to issue your licence, and there is a RT practical test too. Not huge sums in the scheme of things. I have every receipt from my PPL(H), not brave enough to add it all up though....

I cannot remember the average time, but I'd bank on your figures being right. If you can fly regularly it will help.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 9:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RJC, same here i have every receipt but won't ever add it up i don't think!
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Depending on who you fly with and where you fly from, landing fees are not always included............over 50-60 flights and landaways for XC these add up to a tidy sum!
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 10:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the license is 150, any ideas on the RT exam and a rough costing for landing fees please?

I have a meeting with a training school on Saturday to discuss their course and I want to have a clear understanding of what I am letting myself in for. I had planned based on the 10k that was mentioned as this is very affordable but it looks more likely to be double that Sad
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 11:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is very expensive with lots of hidden costs the school won't tell you about.

I don't know where you live but average about 10 for a landing that should take into account the cheaper and not so cheap places. Also you have to figure in Circuits where some airfields charge you for every landing (even though we don't land or often use the runway!

Murphy's law: Everything costs more and takes longer than you could possibly imagine.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bom,

The 10k mentioned by?????

Your initial LST (test) will be close to 1.5 hours in duration. Confirm with the school what hire rate they'd expect to charge you for the test. School should also be able to tell you what the local landing and circuit fees are.

Buy stuff as you need it. I'm not a fan of prepackaged ppl kits - the maps and vfr flight guides are regularly updated (if you fancy practising nav planning see if the school/anybody has an out of date map you could have Cool ), the flight bag more than likely wont fit under the seat of an R22 and many of the books can be found second hand Wink

Licence issue fee can be found on the CAA website.

15-20k sounds about right though, as in aviation everything takes longer than you'd planned Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the additional info.

I have found a friend of a friend who passed their PPL(H) a little while ago and they have indicated that they may sell their books so I could save a few pennies there.

In the region of 10k was mentioned by the flight school after my intitial 30 min trial after a brief "Student still excited" chat. Based on the minimum of 45 hours with no vat and external expenses that figure is correct.

I'm still keen as I should be able to fund about 9k by selling possessions from hobbies gone by, just need to contemplate the remainder whilst still overpaying the mortgage and planning for my beach house for my retirement Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Based on the minimum of 45 hours with no vat and external expenses that figure is correct.


I know Cool

But not an accurate reflection of the likely costs (even assuming a pass after 45 hours) as you correctly identified.

Congratulations on passing Lesson 1 in aviation Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

10k is a little modest. We normally quote a minimum of 15k taking into account that it may take longer (how can you predict how many driving lessons you will need before you've ever stepped into the car?).

I can't stand seeing people start the PPL and run out of money half way through. One piece of advice I tend to give potential students is don't start the PPL unless you can afford to finish it. 10k is not realistic.

Hope you manage to find the extra cash - it will be worth it but make sure you are able to see it all the way through (and I could be wrong but I think the medical is more like 150 for a class 2).

Best of luck with your flying!

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be honest payng for the additional bits as I go along such as spreading the exams out to a couple a month, the medical etc dont really bother me. The hidden sting in the tail was the VAT.

I'm still determined to do it though, life is for living, you cant take your money with you Smile

The beach house will be all the greater with its own helipad Very Happy Its good to dream Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm still determined to do it though, life is for living, you cant take your money with you Smile



Bom,

That was my philosophy too! I've borrowed the money via my mortgage!

I worked it out at being 15840 basic (60 hours at 264) plus all of the extras!

Check out my thread entitled "PPL as a hobby.................", absolutely no one has suggested that it is money badly spent!

Good luck.

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