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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 11:44 pm    Post subject: TC CPL(H) to UK PPL conversion Reply with quote

Looking for WG for help on this one!

Traditionally come october the tour pilots at work are let go for the winter. I'm thinking about taking the opportunity to travel and curious what the conversion would be from the canadian CPL(H) to the CAA (UK if I'm correct) PPL(H). Would be great to meet all the folks who frequent this site and I haven't been to europe for quite some time!



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 12:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The industry isn't too strong in the UK at the moment chief. Would probably be more worth your while going down the FAA route (bigger place with more happening).
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see your point! The UK PPL would be more for the fun of flying there. The FAA license woul be nice but it's too hard for cndians to find work in the states, let lone have permission to move and then work
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 3:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, I have put my glasses on now, sorry I didn' notice PPL. In that case take a look at LASORs on the UK CAA website and it will tell you what you have to do to get a JAA PPL(H).
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Logan:

LASORs can be found here http://www.caa.co.uk/application.aspx?catid=33&pagetype=65&appid=11&mode=detail&id=1591

I think LAS section A7 looks the most relevant.

If in doubt, I'm sure a call or email conversation with them would clarify. Contact Details
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, head screwed back on. Forget LASORs, the Air Navigation Order will have the answer:

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Deeming a non-United Kingdom flight crew licence valid 62

(1) Subject to paragraphs (3) and (4), paragraph (2) applies to any licence which authorises the holder to act as a member of the flight crew of an aircraft and is granted:
(a) under the law of a Contracting State other than the United Kingdom but which is
not a JAA licence; or
(b) under the law of a relevant overseas territory.

(2) Subject to paragraph (4), for the purposes of this Part, such a licence is, unless the CAA gives a direction to the contrary, deemed to be a licence rendered valid under this Order.

(3) Paragraph (2) does not apply to such a licence if it authorises the holder to act as a student pilot only.

(4) A licence deemed valid under paragraph (2) does not entitle the holder:
(a) to act as a member of the flight crew of any aircraft flying for the purpose of commercial air transport, public transport or aerial work or on any flight for which the holder receives remuneration for services as a member of the flight crew; or
(b) in the case of a pilot's licence, to act as pilot of any aircraft flying in controlled airspace in circumstances requiring compliance with the Instrument Flight Rules or to give any instruction in flying.


(5) A JAA licence is, unless the CAA gives a direction to the contrary, a licence rendered valid under this Order.


So if you have an ICAO licence then it should not be a problem using it for the privilages of a PPL(H). I would definately seek written confirmation of this from the CAA and a referal to appropriate sections of the ANO.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 6:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dont waste your money getting a ppl
Canada has signed to ICAO which means you have an ICAO licence
Therefore yu can use your licence as a PPL in the UK as long as you fly a G reg aircraft.
Basically you have to have 2 of the following 3 things
1. State of registry of the aircraft
2. Who's airspace you are flying in
3. The nationality of your licence

EG Canadian licence Canadian heli in uk airspace OK
Canadian licenec N reg heli in Uk airspace no
Canadian licence G re heli in Uk airspace OK
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 7:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I thought they had got rid of that? A daft rule if you ask me. Is that an ICAO or UK regulation?

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hughes500 wrote:
Basically you have to have 2 of the following 3 things
1. State of registry of the aircraft
2. Who's airspace you are flying in
3. The nationality of your licence

EG Canadian licence Canadian heli in uk airspace OK
Canadian licenec N reg heli in Uk airspace no
Canadian licence G re heli in Uk airspace OK


Not sure that this is entirely correct.

Fundamentally, all of this appears to rely on the state of registry of the aircraft.

Canadian licence, C reg heli in UK airspace is indeed ok.
Canadian licence, N reg heli in UK airspace is not okay but is nothing to do with UK airspace. Rather, it falls foul of FAR 61.3 which states, inter alia, that to fly a US registered aircraft, one must possess a pilot certificate issued under Part 61.
Canadian licence, G reg heli in UK airspace is ok because, as HH has pointed out, the Canadian licence is rendered valid by the ANO.

But what about Canadian licence holder flying a UK reg aircraft in the US? According to Hughes500's definition, this would not be permitted. However FAR 61.3 seems to provide for foreign registered aircraft being flown in the US provided the airmans licence/certificate has been rendered valid by the state of registery which, as we have already seen, is the case with the UK.

Also, how about a UK licence holder flying a N reg aircraft in the US? Two out of three conditions appear to have been fulfilled and yet, referring to FAR 61.3 once again, this would seem to suggest that in fact, a FAA certificate is required to fly a N reg aircraft anywhere in the world, including within US airspace.

The following links may be helpful

http://www.caa.co.uk/default.aspx?catid=175&pagetype=70&gid=2083&faqid=1189


http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=bfb49ffcbbbb519de001d9bc54ad6498&rgn=div8&view=text&node=14:2.0.1.1.2.1.1.3&idno=14
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 11:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blimey, why can't we all just get along...

Long time no hear Pansops, hope all is well.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HaggisHunter wrote:
Blimey, why can't we all just get along...


Isn't that the idea of ICAO? Puzzled Head Banging

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 10:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

haha jeeze!

So what I can take from this is:

I can fly a G registration A/C in the Uk and its no problem, even with a canadian license!?

I take it that is fine for the PPL but does that apply to the CPL as well?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 7:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MODS! MODS!!


We need a Report this Post button.

Ivanovic appears to be a robot of sorts, posting rubbish and advertising gold.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 8:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Posts removed, Charlie and the user in question has been banned from the forum.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 10:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

But how about a "report this post" button?

Works on Other Forums / Fora / Forsum .. what is the plural anyway?
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