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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 11:20 pm    Post subject: Sad news... Reply with quote

G-SHPP - the nice 269 I used to have a share in was involved in forced landing Monday evening Sad

http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/3553971.Hero_pilot_puts_stricken_chopper_into_bank/

Sad news - especially for someone else here too. Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 12:03 am    Post subject: Crash Reply with quote

PW,
It is a shame to loose a good aircraft, but the main thing is both pilots walked away.

I was shocked to read the comment made on the webiste:

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Ronald, Hailsham says...
11:27am Tue 29 Jul 08
An auto rotation landing due to mechanical malfunction, probably engine or rotor drive. The pilot was lucky, not heroic.......... 'Hero pilots' 'Hero soldiers' and 'horror crashes' are wearing a bit thin.......


Would it have been better if the pilot landed on top of cars on the A259?
Any pilot that steers a crippled craft out of harm's way to prevent injury to persons on the ground is a hero in my book!

I lost a dear friend years ago, who was flying a B206 for the NYPD and was hit by a seaplane over the river. He could have tried for a safe landing site near the highway but it was too close to houses and people on the ground. The ship was barely controllable. He knowingly chose instead to steer the ship away from them, trying to make another site out of harm's way. He was unable to maintain control, and crashed into a warehouse roof. Both he and his copilot died. No one was hurt on the ground.

Don't tell me that they were not Heros !
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unfortunately that news site is well known for its "comments"...

I know the area well - I lived and worked near there for about 25 years - if you look at one of the pics there is a wide grass area in front of where SHPP ended up.... I d guess they were aiming for there seem to recall the 'fields' there are pretty overgrown.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 1:38 pm    Post subject: Landing Reply with quote

PW,

Well, you know that in an autorotation, the pilot does their best to have it arrive at the spot they intended, but if conditions change, there is little you can do about it, but ride it in and keep it under control.

Even though the copter was damaged, the pilot did a good job, and both occupants walked away.

Maybe not a great landing, but certainly a success story!

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 10:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Couldn't agree more AB - it certainly was no critism of their flying... rather more that they were unlucky it didn't end up on a nice flat piece of grass ready to be lifted on to a flatbed truck for the journey home.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 11:17 pm    Post subject: Landing Reply with quote

PW,

Well, that's a bit of wishful thinking but as long as we think that way.....we will have successful emergency landings more times than not.

"May you always have soft ground underneath and a good ship to get you there"

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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..while emergency crews found and made safe the helicopter's engine and fuel tanks.


Hmm - looks like typical reporting from a desk whilst not going out to have a look. The video shows the top of the fence looking serrated which would probably have been the M/R as the heli came to a stop on the gound, the disc moving down with the inertia and slicing the fence timber, not 'the aircraft smashed into a garden fence'. With all that foliage I'd guess it stopped right where it's lying in the pix, somewhat short of the fence.

A 269 would have had to drop vertically from about 1500' for the engine and fuel tanks to separate and from the video it's fairly clear the main pod is intact with the tank in place as it should be. In an auto like this, the pilot would be aiming for a level spot (the bit in front of the bank) and presumably a zero/zero or short run on so his speed wouldn't be great - so to put that tosh about 'smashing into a fence,' then adding 'yards from a house' etc is OTT. WHY do they do it? I think Victor from Hailsham was actually trying to get some sense into the event by reducing the stupid sensational tabloid method of not letting facts get in the way of a story, to something a bit more level-headed.



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 1:00 pm    Post subject: Crash Reply with quote

It is hard to tell exactly what sheared the tip of the fence off, without seeing the other two rotors, but it is a good bet that one of them did prior to the copter plowing through the fence.

It apparently took a very hard hit since the skids and crossmembers are completely crushed.

Luckily, both pilots were unharmed except for their ego. hahaha

Media very rarely report "just the facts" but would rather sensationalize the issue. We as pilots, naturally, look at the "why" rather than the "what".

I am sure that they will discover the cause during the investigation to follow.

Too bad about SHPP. It looked like a nice little heli.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another storyline here - http://www.sussexexpress.co.uk/news/Helicopter-crash-39should-have-been.4347015.jp - gives passenger's version.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

G'day guys,
We have a similar problem here, a recent R44 hit a high wire and the passenger stated later that the helicopter entered a "death spiral" (wouldn't be a low level auto entry much, would it!) Funnily enough, 4 out of 4 on board survived the "death spiral", and the pilot only broke both ankles (obviously dissipated energy via the pedals, maybe or the last "deadly" part of the spiral got him!) It would be nice to have a boat oar handy, sometimes.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AAIB report here:
http://www.aaib.gov.uk/sites/aaib/publications/bulletins/november_2008/hughes_269a_hughes_300__g_shpp.cfm

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