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PostPosted: Sun Dec 21, 2008 12:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do those lights actually work and where on the tower are they?
One of the guys at coventry had a radio failure and couldn't see any lights so had to continue the approach with caution and cross without clearance. called the tower when he landed to explain, but no lights - thought that was odd.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 21, 2008 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well ive always wondered that but ive tested it and you can see them.

Its a handheld lamp shone from inside the tower pointed at your aircraft. I tested it by driving to one end of the runway and having it shone at me and you can see it. Its not like dazzling but its clearly a light being used in the tower. All an oldis lamp is is a huge torch plugged into the mains.

If you had a radio failure the standard procedure is to orbit overhead and looks for light signals, well if i were you id make it a big orbit and you want to be looking into the front of the tower, behind the window you should see someone using the lights if indeed they are actually using them. The light will be easier to see on Rwy23 because its plugged in that end of the room and has a clearer view up the approach. You will only be able to see it from the front of the tower and remeber we can't shine it through the ceiling.

And most importantly and the easiest way to let us know you have RTF failure is to squawk 7600

Radio failures are confusing for most pilots, most of the time they don't know what to do, they don't look for light signals and if they do they don't know what they mean off the top of their head (im not expecting them to).

If you have radio failure, the safest thing is to orbit in the overhead above circuit height if possible, if your in the circuit i would leave the circuit to the overhead, and make some attempt to signal to the tower, flashing landing lights are more visible than nav lights.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 21, 2008 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

think he may of squawked 76, not 100% sure, the thought of any more paperwork if required may put some people off.

Didn't realise it was a torch from inside the tower! Useful to know and explains why we can't find the comms lights on the outside. thoughts are once more moving back to the batlight.

do you think there's a pilot out there thinking 'i wish that bloody ATController would stop shining that freakin torch at me!' Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 21, 2008 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a bit of historical info on the Aldis lamp - with a nice 1940's picture! Quite ATC related too.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 12:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks FF - very interesting, i also looked at the info on the square.
i know some gliding sites still have them, i remember seeing one but i can't remember where, may have been shobdon. i'll look out in future - at least i'll remember what they mean now! Idea
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 9:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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info on the square. i know some gliding sites still have them,


Umm, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think all aerodromes have a signal square, do they not? EGBN and EGBG certainly do!
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generation thing, relying on all this modern technology like radios, transponders, gps and the aldis lamp...hold on, not the torch thingy... may have to have a look next time i fly, if they let me into the skies again.
Sema-what? Morse-who? Is that a new computer game? Embarassed Cool

Don't think they have a signal square at cov Question
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 1:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nope no signals square at Cov. Its no longer a mandatory thing. You only need one i believe if your allowing non radio aircraft to use the airfield. Which we don't at Cov

The signals square should usually be visible from the overhead thus the standard procedure for join by non radio a/c is usually enter the overhead, join downwind, but they check the signals square out first to get the airfield info.

Note: WGirl tells me that some airfields with signals squares are marked by a T in a box in the pooleys although shes not sure how accurate it is as Shobdon was shown to not have one!.

And theres no excuse for being a non radio a/c. Hand held ICOMs work fine and arn't expensive. Why go making life for air traffic hard by flying around with no frickin radio!


AS- you should get the list of the light signal meanings and then when its quiet go out and ask the tower if you can do a couple of radio fail circuits with light signals. If its quiet enough and were feeling nice we might accommodate!
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Will be interesting to see if i remember all the different light signals, may take you up on that, cheers Thumbs Up Cool
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