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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 10:30 am    Post subject: Exam Validity and Training Duration. Reply with quote

Is it correct that you must pass all exams within 18 months of passing the first one and that collectively they are valid for 24 months after passing the last one?

So does that mean that you must complete the skills test within 24 months of passing your last exam?

And presumably if the 18 month exam validity duration expires before completion of the PPL(H) you have to re-sit that exam?

Finally, to keep the PPL(H) current valid you need 2 hours of flight time per year, this seems awfully low.
Do most people continue to have instruction after gaining their PPL(H) to help with their flying proficiency?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 12:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Exam Validity and Training Duration. Reply with quote

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Is it correct that you must pass all exams within 18 months of passing the first one and that collectively they are valid for 24 months after passing the last one?


An applicant shall be deemed to
have successfully completed the theoretical
examinations for the JAR-FCL PPL(H) when
awarded a pass in all of the above examinations
within a period of 18 months counted from the
end of the calendar month when the applicant
first attempted the examination. A pass
will be accepted for the grant of a JAR-FCL
PPL(A) during the 24 months from the date of
successfully completing all of the theoretical
knowledge examinations.



So does that mean that you must complete the skills test within 24 months of passing your last exam?

Yes.But also note that the skills test must be completed within 6 months of completing the flight training.


And presumably if the 18 month exam validity duration expires before completion of the PPL(H) you have to re-sit that exam?

You willl need to retake any exam previously passed that is outside the 18month window (usually air law).
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you.

Is possible to take the exams prior to actually doing any flying BUT presumably the questions and answers are easier to understand whilst undergoing training?
Also is there a recognised exam taking plan ie do they have to be taken in some sort of order? If not, is there a preferable order in which to take them?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you do your commercial flight training you do your ground school first followed by flight training and course at the end. Thats just commercial tho and they advise you have completed around 100hours so you have some understanding.

So in terms of PPL, most people study while they fly. It helps you in some subjects to have a knowledge of flying such as principles of flight and such. However most schools advise you to start on air law which i think could be accomplished without having much knowledge of actual flight.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 5:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Exam Validity and Training Duration. Reply with quote

ALFA8C wrote:
Finally, to keep the PPL(H) current valid you need 2 hours of flight time per year, this seems awfully low.
Do most people continue to have instruction after gaining their PPL(H) to help with their flying proficiency?


You could argue that the required hours is merely a tick in the box... interesting but irrelevant. You have to demonstrate your proficiency (per type) by way of your LPC every year, and if you're not up to it you'll lose your rating/licence until you are. In any case it's not a bad idea to have a trip with an instructor once in a while to practice all those things it wouldn't be sensible to try on your own i.e. emergency stuff.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have read that if you haven't flown in the previous 30 days some Self Fly Hire Companies insist on a check ride first?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 5:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's certainly the case where I fly. It's more of an insurance issue I believe than anything else - and once again that's by type. It doesn't have to be much, a few circuits covers it. To put a positive spin on it, it's an excuse to fly regularly.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The company i fly with have a similar policy and yes its more to satisfy the insurance bods than anything else. They like you to have flown in the last 30 days and otherwise the odd circuit or whatever just to check you can still do an autorotation and know when to do it etc...
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

30 days and insurance - absolute rubbish. There is no insurance requirement from Haywards who insure 80% plus of UK heli fleet. ( I insure 8 helicopter both turbine and piston )
It is a way of getting more money out of you by going up with an instructor.
Having said that you need to fly once a month min to kep your hand in !
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hughes500 wrote:
It is a way of getting more money out of you by going up with an instructor.
Having said that you need to fly once a month min to kep your hand in !


You can't have it both ways! - my school doesn't charge for check rides (at least not Instructor time), and since most of us PPLers are not flying everyday IMHO it is important and necessary to "readjust" to the sensitivity of flying helicopters if you haven't flown for 30 days or more, in the controlled environment of a check ride.

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