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PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 11:16 pm    Post subject: Guimbal Cabri G2 Reply with quote

Cabri G2 - The new 300/R22 Replacement?

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http://www.jiepie.com/files/guimbal/demo_pictures/index.html

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 12:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting. Is it certified in the UK?

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 1:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not yet, the guy (Guimbal) designed it back in 1992, had its first flight March 2005. Guimbal used to be a eurocopter technican; he left to form his own company and made that (G2). He has now teamed back up with Eurocopter with a project called 'Vertivision', Making the Cabri G2 as a drone for military use. There is talk of that civilian version being put into production.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I saw a pic in one of the flying mags recently.

Interesting design - seems to be R22-sized but with a shrouded tailrotor and a three-bladed rotor. Not sure if it's a tad roomier inside or if they are just very small occupants Cool

It certainly has the edge on looks. Competition for Frank? That might liven things up...
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 12:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DBChopper wrote:
It certainly has the edge on looks.


Do you think so??

I personally think it is alright but I think that it reminds me too much of an Enstrom Shark which I personally don't like the look of unfortunately.

Nice to have everything completely covered though. Could do well especially as the guy sounds like he is someone that definitely knows what he is doing in the area of design and has people in high places to help him out, probably with funds etc..

Might be an interesting one to watch, yes.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its got a Eurocopter feel about it, as it probably should do seeing as he was head of the research department at Eurocopter until 2000. The Fenestron is the intresting bit about it, would of thought eurocopter had that covered, unless he had a hand in the design?

They say the good thing about it is that is quiet in operation due to exhausts and tail rotor, and it had a small lugage compartment. Good as a trainer and recreational helicopter? We will see.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AndyB wrote:
and it had a small lugage compartment.


Andy, I guess you meant "has a small luggage compartment"?

Actually I didn't see the link under the picture due to my reading the post so fast and have now looked at the images on the site there and maybe you are right!!! Some of those shots look like the heli is able to loop??

If he did do that or go close to that then maybe the luggage compartment fell out!! Laughing Laughing Laughing

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So does anybody have any idea who will have the first G2 in the UK?

Looks like a cracking machine - 130kts VNE, 5 hours endurance, partial glass cockpit, parts on condition, autorotative capabilities akin to a jetranger and the launch school putting them out at R22 prices... I suppose when another manufacturer buys your helicopters you must figure you're doing something right Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 17, 2010 11:07 am    Post subject: A bit of Cabri background Reply with quote

I got involved with this model some time ago. Bruno Guimbal used to work for Eurocopter down in Marignane and then went out on his own. He used to work out of a glorified barn at one point. The helicopter is 'sponsored' by Eurocopter. The company I work for supplies bearings for it. The way I heard it was that it was supposed to be a European competitor for the American R22/R44 etc but as far as I remember the cost is higher than R22. Although now an old design (10 years plus) it is still getting orders.

I am limited to what I can say about it because of NDA's in place, just general stuff.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 17, 2010 11:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're absolutely right that it is more expensive to buy - Euros not Dollars, and I think it is an inherently more expensive aircraft to buy.

But I believe they are contending that it's operating costs could be comparable to an R22.. but with all such things only time will tell how accurate the manufacturer's published figures are.

I think 10 years is probably still quite young for a "new" helicopter, considering all the hoop jumping to be done. Frank first flew his R22 prototype 35 years ago, and the R44 20 years ago Surprised

Despite the old adage "never fly the A model of anything" I think I will make an exception for the G2 if the opportunity comes along Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I say old, I mean from my perspective. I'm working on models now that aren't due to fly for the first time for another 2-3 years. In some cases the general layout/prelim designs haven't been leaked to Joe Public.

So by the time its off the ground and going through the certification hoops, its old to me.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 7:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Initially Cabri G2 is not cheap (approx 260k euro)
but operational costs are another (sustainable) story...

See some examples here>
http://www.heli-aviation.de/start/school/privatpilot-ppl-h/ausbildungskosten.html

My own definitive engineering choice for initial PPL/CPL H training Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 6:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The first crash of one.

http://www.ka-news.de/region/rastatt/Helikopter-am-Flughafen-Karlsruhe-Baden-abgestuerzt;art6216,388093
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 9:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For those whos german is a bit rusty:

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ka-news.de%2Fregion%2Frastatt%2FHelikopter-am-Flughafen-Karlsruhe-Baden-abgestuerzt%3Bart6216%2C388093

Looking at the pictures... looks like a failed Auto... or a blade/tail strike?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 9:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tail rotor failure drills, or so I am told.
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