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PostPosted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm not saying this is a worthwhile excuse AT ALL, but we did have an AI, and with the IFR experiance my instructor no doubt has - mixed with my basic understanding from flight sim - and knowing which way the front was facing - we would of been able to fly out of it if the worst had happened


Is it possible to fly IMC in an unstabilised single engine helicopter , yes sometimes, indeed some idiotic examiners still consider it acceptable on PPL Skill tests to do exactly that through thousands of feet of cloud, how many people precisely this has subsequently killed I have no idea.

The last famous person I can remember being killed IIMC in an R44 was Steve Hislop, who probably had reactions better than the rest of us.

You may wish to read

http://www.griffin-helicopters.co.uk/accidentdetails.asp?accidentkey=13516

or

http://www.griffin-helicopters.co.uk/accidentdetails.asp?accidentkey=1820.

There are plenty of other reports where they came from, several involving instructors and student pilots.

We as instructors are not gods and are subject to the same laws of physics as everyone else.

Does the R44 have a standby horizon ?
Is the one fitted pretty cheap and nasty ?
Is it caged when the aircraft is used for engine off landing practice ?

Flight in a degraded visual environment is not to be feared, but should only be carried out by those who know are suitably trained and experienced, in aircraft which are appropriately equipped.

Flight in IMC should not be feared but should only be carried out by current, proficient instrument pilots in suitably equipped aircraft.

Please do not confuse attitude instrument flying in a helicopter with flying a PC at home, the lessons learned there can sometimes be valuable if they are learned under supervision.

Please let us know what actual instrument experience your instructor has if any, and even if it's thousands of hours, do not go there in an R44.

I am enjoying your PPL Diary, but I and others will not sit by and read stuff that makes it sound like you are being put in stupidly risky situations when there is no need whatsoever. The written word is hard sometimes to convey exactly what was going on without writing reams but a reality check is called for if you truly believe the paragraph I have quoted above.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Echo India - consider another, unlikely, but possible situation...

What would have happened if your instructor had been taken ill and unable to continue as PIC? In CAVOK I would hope that you would have got the machine back on the ground in a reasonable fashion - maybe damaged but survivable.

Could you have in the conditions you describe?

There is a lot of experience on this forum (I'm not including myself in that!) - take heed and learn from others before you - possibly through the fault of your instructor - become another statistic.

Remember it is your life (and your money) - please don't fly in conditions that risk losing it.

As for the PC - I have never been able to fly the 206 in the MS Flightsim but do manage in real life.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 16, 2010 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for all the guidance guys, I do understand that there have been incidents in the industry... and that getting warnings like this will stop me from becoming a statistic.

IMO there is a difference between a pilot and someone who is able to fly. Decision making like this will help me to become a pilot, I may seem a bit ignorant at times; but I really am benefiting from all of your experience on HT

Hoping to get flying again tomorrow Smile
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 16, 2010 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

EI

I don't think you have ever seemed ignorant, naive perhaps but never ignorant.

Decision making is one of the biggest things we get wrong from a traiining perspective in the UK / Ireland as it is under trained / assessed.

Decision making doesn't always help you fly, sometimes it stops you !

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 10:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

veeany wrote:

Decision making doesn't always help you fly, sometimes it stops you !

I'll use that one Razz
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Well Done!!!

You stopped grinning/shaking/etc yet?

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