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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 9:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice pics chaps!

NEVER too nusy to stop and yap. Nice to meet Tudor Owen for the first time.

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You are right - that establishment looks amazing but is simply appalling at all other levels.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 7:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Nice Pics James, did you get any nice pics of G-RUZZ ?


Thanks! A couple of pictures of G-RUZZ but certainly not any I'd want to post to a forum! Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 8:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The mind boggles..........

Loads of G-RUZZ www.pbase.com/kbmphotography/hcgb2005 but can create a gallery of every pic I have if possibly interested in purchasing!!!! (as per G-CEEE!)
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 9:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

AlanM - the only pictures of G-RUZZ I have are really not worthy of posting - a lot I took were "under exposed" if such a thing exists in digital photography. Pointing at a bright sky on a dull day, my camera automatically adjusted to that, rather than the object I really wanted it to get right! And, I'm somewhat useless at holding a camera still - so there's a lot of blurry ones too. Sad Others, that looked excellent on the tiny screen on the camera, just look horridly grainy when viewed properly. So no, it's more my embarassment that prevents me from posting them! Embarassed

Also, knowing that TC was in G-CEEE, I thought I'd concentrate a bit more on that helicopter, than the others, hence only a couple of G-RUZZ. By comparison, there's probably 15-20 or so of G-CEEE. Smile

I should go on a course. Or purchase better equipment. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 11:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Flight Safety ??? you are joking, Right?

Those competitors who???d taken the time and trouble, not to mention the expense incurred by the civvie pilots to attend the practice meetings, had rammed down their necks ???Read the rules??? They were battered around the head with ???Read the RULES!??? (That did include the chief judge surely?)

The Brits were to be run under the World rules ??? the crews were given a FINAL set of rules to inwardly digest in preparation for August???s World Championships. Apparently there were written tests on the rules to make sure the crews all knew what was required! ??? ???READ THE RULES???.

Nav Ex ??? Consists of a navigational course to include 2 MFO???s (Mandatory Fly Over Point), 3 TP???s (Turning Points), a search box and a bomb drop.

In the World rules the course is set out thus??

Start Line ??? MFO 1 ??? Search Box ??? TP1 ??? TP2 ??? TP3 ??? Bomb Drop ??? MFO 2

A given time to complete the course, and search box is given. The times must be exact to the second to provide separation between competitors aircraft (Let???s face it ??? under these circumstances, would they really want to be looking out for other aircraft as they perhaps would normally?).

All competitors were emailed 6th June (see below) with an accompanying set of rules attached as Word Documents. At no time were any changes to the rules suggested in that email ??? the email was headed ???Heli Champs??? with absolutely no reference to any amendments.
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Dear Competitors and Judges

Herewith the Event Rules, the General Rules and a Summary for the
forthcoming Championships.

Everyone

Please acknowledge receipt of the rules to me asap.

<<HCGBGENRules2Final.doc>>
<<HCGBRulesEvents2Final.doc>>

Kind regards

Chief Judge
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Briefing on Friday 10th consisted of a quick run through of the hotel???s requirements and the competition. It???s been suggested that the Nav-Ex director mentioned during the briefing that the bomb drop area might not be ???In the Normal place you???d expect it to be??? It???s quite apparent that not everyone heard him or that it wasn???t mentioned as a briefing point, nor was any visual aid used. (Surprising considering the importance of the event and flight safety)

Come the competition, those crews who???d inwardly digested the rules over the previous 6 Months of drilling, were confident that they knew the course sequence and the order it was to be flown. I???d expect the crews would have had the World Rules sequence on a kneeboard in the cab?
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Whilst sitting on the start line and with only with 5 minutes to take off, the crews are handed the Navigational information in a sealed envelope. The contents reveal a chart, timings and plots. The plots were in the order of the World rules ??? MFO 1 ??? Search Box ??? TP1 ??? TP2 ??? TP3
??? Bomb Drop ??? MFO2 ??? Home.

However, the actual course was not as it should have been according to the World Rules ??? someone had changed the running order of the plots, for whatever reason, operationally or otherwise. They were flying under World rules remember - and rules are rules because they READ THE RULES!

The order now was MFO1 ??? Search Box ??? BOMB DROP ??? TP1 ??? TP2 ??? TP3 ??? MFO2 ??? Home.

Those crews adhering to World rules found themselves doubling back from TP3 to the Bomb Drop area, which lay only 1 ??? 2 miles from the exit of the search box area, and in almost the opposite direction of oncoming competitors exiting the search area, and all strictly adhering to the competition 1000??? altitude!!! (Because they READ THE RULES)

The Bomb Drop is a sequence of two targets on the ground positioned about 30 meters apart or so. The crew must fly in a set direction natural to the next ongoing TP. The helicopter must be at a set height (about 30???) and the crew has about 12 seconds to ???bomb??? each target with a 1-kilo bomb. I???d imagine that at this point the pilot isn???t paying that much attention to what???s in front of him, do you?

The World Rules competitor, who READ THE RULES of course is flying the other way; at 30??? and also perhaps not looking in front because the ???separation??? given by the rules is the safety margin in the back of the pilots mind. How could there be someone flying directly opposite ??? they???ve all READ THE RULES haven???t they?


Those crews given the World Rules 6 Months ago were conditioned to those rules being FINAL. The organisers did not correctly brief the sudden course changes and luckily no resulting accident occurred. Crews were late arriving (incurring penalty points or black flagging), flustered and totally cheesed off. The Nav event should be run again imho.

Oh what a fun weekend that must have been.

Judges ??? READ THE RULES and contemplate a correct and proper briefing in future!! Embarassed

The "fender" event was a joke - READ THE RULES! 3 competitors had to run again after being black flagged by the chief judge who obviously didn't READ THE RULES.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 3:25 pm    Post subject: LOL Reply with quote

Nice one helihead LOL Laughing We had to double back having only digested the drop point info after flying 10 nm past it! This cost us the comp!! And for the record we READ THE RULES! Wink

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p.s. Again, for the record helihead and helidriver are not one and the same! Cool
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Funny that.... Confused

We left the search box and tracked almost straight over the Bomb drop area en-route to TP1

We thought it was odd - I had to ask Will to double check!

No wonder we caught up with the AS350 orbiting at TP2 - He'd done the bomb drop en-route Confused and the driver had never seen the rules until he received the email by all accounts. (Navy - typical)

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the navex brief we were told that the course was different to the world rules and I asked a question at the brief as to why the ammended rules referred to plotting four lat and longs rather than the WHC specified 2, so when the envelope was opened I was not suprised.

We did drop our bombs in the right order and visited the TP's after the bomb drop, That said I did need to double check my plotting becuase it looked odd. Having looked at the results it seems that only four a/c visited the bomb drop in the wrong order.

There was a good reason for the change to the brief (I understand that the farmer who owned the field where the original bomb drop was to take place let it slip that he had a bbq with 600 bods to spectate.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 7:51 pm    Post subject: Thank you Reply with quote

STOP....

I must add before the moaning does get out of hand a massive thankyou to all those Guys and Gals who make the Britsh Champs posssible. Especially the back-room boys like Jimmy (& crew), Alan, Arno, Tony, the judges not to mention the big John M himself. Let us remember that without their continued support we would not have a competition. A lot don't realise that they give up their time and indeed in many cases hard earned money for all our gripes so don't be too hard!!


......NOW CARRY ON! Wink

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not sure I was really moaning Smile just pointing out that the information was made available prior to the navex.

A massive ammount of work went into planning these events and as you say major thanks are in order to all concerned.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 11:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guys,

I did not make the briefing on Friday but was obviously very aware of the many comments and protests regarding the Navex (and other events), for what its worth I will add my three pence on this subject. It is ultimately the competitor???s task to plot the Navex using the information provided which did quite clearly show three turning points and the Load drop off grid reference. The majority of the competitors dealt with the TP???s Bomb drop and MFO???s without a problem.

Yes there were some very very last minute changes that were unavoidable in the proceeding weeks and days before the championships.

Comments regarding the Fender are valid but once spotted were dealt with quickly and with the agreement of all parties involved the competitors effected were allowed to finish the last run of the fender.

Its not an excuse just a comment but the days are long and tiring for all involved and errors can and are made (boy do I know that to my embarrassment Embarassed ).

Lets not spoil what was a good weekend flying justly deserved winners, socialising and making new friends. Cool Confused Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Guys!

I see you had a really great weekend in Heythrop this time! Smile Don't be angry at the judjes and organisers for their "slight changes" in the rules. I think this sort of things will only help you all to be ready for the WHC. We all love French guys. And they love to do the things you are not ready for. Smile So be ready for everything. Smile
P.S. Nice to see you, Alan N. Smile
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