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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 10:31 am    Post subject: Carrying dogs in helicopters. I'm after your help... Reply with quote

With apologies to the Helitorque Team because I must confess to have posted similarly on The site that shall not be named a few weeks ago Embarassed

Do any of you involved in police aviation have any experience of carrying dogs in helicopters? If so, I am particularly interested in any cages you may have had fitted, sizes, construction, manufacturer etc. This is related to a project I am invloved with at work and I would be very grateful for any information you could pass my way, either on this thread or via pm.

Thanks in anticipation.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 8:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

get a JR, put them in the boot. works for hunting dogs.

when we carry police dogs in the cabin of JR or Huey, we try to sit the handler and dog behind the pax seat. if the dog tries to come over the seat its not the pilots poblem Laughing

on a related issue, once the dog has caught whoever you are after, don't go slapping the dog handler on the shoulder and say good job. you might need a shot Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 10:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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on a related issue, once the dog has caught whoever you are after, don't go slapping the dog handler on the shoulder and say good job. you might need a shot


Shouldn't be a problem - I'm the one with the dog Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 12:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DB Chopper,
Saw a repeat of Chopper coppers last week about Hotel 900 the Sussex ASU.
They were carrying a dog and handler in the back of their MD900 Explorer.

The handler took the dog up to the heli while running, popped it on board and took off, dropped them on the sussex downs for a run around and then back to Shoreham.

May be worth giving them a call or even the Met ASU.
Incidentally where do they operate from.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Martin,

The project is actually with the Met ASU as there are three shiny new EC145s arriving over the next year or so. They operate out of Lippit's Hill which is in Epping Forest in Essex.

I will contact the Sussex ASU - thanks. They operate from Shoreham airport but theirs is a joint police / medevac helicopter.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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a well trained dog, ie police dogs, blind dogs, etc tend to just jump in the back seat with the machine running. I don't know what the turbine whine does to their ears but i guess it can't be too bad.

you could look at a short leash with a clip onto floor hard points, if the 145 has them... Will keep the dog out of the cockpit if it gets excited. I think the biggest thing would be familiarity, get them in and out without the machine running, then go from there.

We were only call when needed for the police so only had the dogs in the machine a few times over 25 years, so was always a bit of a novilty for the dogs, i think they wanted to fly the thing. Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 11:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If dogs flew the helis. surely it would be a rough landing.
Think about it!!

On the programme, the paramedic was in the back, looking rather apprehensive about a german shepherd in the back.

Incidentally, do the police refer to them as German Shepherds or Alsatians.
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in nz they refer to them as that big thing thats going to rip your arm off if you don't do as i say. Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If dogs flew the helis. surely it would be a rough landing


That was a very very naughty joke to slip in there. SIT boy.

Absolutely BARKING mad!!! Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think pretty much Worldwide they are known as German Shepherds now, but we still know what you mean Wink

With our current fleet of AS355s, dogs have been carried in the back held by the handler because there is no alternative when there is only room for one passenger anyway (one of the seats has been replaced with an equipment box and there is an observer in the back).

With the EC145 there will be much more room, potentially to carry an entire team of officers or a couple of handlers and dogs. While it will still be possible to carry a dog as before, I think we need a safer option which might be less distracting for the crew and anyone else unfamiliar with the dogs, easier on a handler who is probably very unfamiliar with being in a helicopter (unless it's me!), and more relaxing for the dogs who are used to being safely tucked up in a cage. While I agree that familiarity is the key, we are unlikely to be able to familiarise them with it on a regular basis.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fancy having these two in the back....they are bloodhounds after all.
'My boys' are 15 month old and already 50+kg each, have paws like hams, and completely untrainable. Slick Smile


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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2006 1:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some dogs are happy and enjoy the flight,



However with some you may want them to have a muzzle on!!!




The dogs come for a famil every so often, keeps them current!!!
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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2006 1:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blimey, I can post without having to log in!!

http://www.west-midlands.police.uk/AirOps/index.asp

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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2006 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great pics SS!

Sorry must have overlooked the forum permissions on this one! Embarassed

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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2006 11:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The spaniel looks like he's having a great time, but the handler doesn't look too sure!
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