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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 10:53 pm    Post subject: Is This True Reply with quote

I was just watching "Police Interceptors" and was half listening to a discription of the Essex police chopper while trying to control my fall after tripping over the cat. Is it true that the night sun 2 is capable of starting a ground fire while at a height of 350 Ft ?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 12:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ummm..... no.

It is barely capable of setting fire to grass if you land in long grass with the light on, and that is just from contact with the hot casing.

We used to joke that our nite sun was able to melt the bitumen in front of a speeding car to slow it down, and some reporters actually believed it. Shocked
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 8:12 am    Post subject: Re: Is This True Reply with quote

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I was just watching "Police Interceptors" and was half listening to a discription of the Essex police chopper while trying to control my fall after tripping over the cat. Is it true that the night sun 2 is capable of starting a ground fire while at a height of 350 Ft ?


I think they forgot to mention theoretically. I.e if you could focus all the heat dissipated by the night sun into a tiny pin prick, then it would be hot enough to do it. However in the real world it could never happen, they wouldn't allow them to have one if it could. Why stop the car lets just burn it with our huge torch!
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 12:22 pm    Post subject: Is this true Reply with quote

Well, we had a nite light on a 206 gong back some years in the NYPD that could burn the inflatables if it was turned too far, so the company did a retrofit and installed a pin to limit the arc of travel.

Maybe a nite light can't start a fire from 350 feet, but the heat at close range is quite intense. I would not want my hand in front of it when it was turned on.


Today's versions are probably better suited for the task, burn longer, and cooler than earlier models.

Oh well, progress I guess.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Having spoken to an air observer, there is a pressure switch on the skids or some kind of electronic gizmo on police helicopters that do not allow the nite sun to be used at low altitudes or on the ground.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 1:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I have begun thinking, watching the Police Interceptor/Road Wars/Police, Camera, News Presenter type of programme that a RPG launcher would be the best thing to fit to a Helicopter for taking out the toe-rags who steal/rob banks/hijack cars. It would save the courts a lot of time and save us taxpayers keeping the scr*tes in prison for too short a time that they can then come out and carry on where they left off.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Old Rookie Craig, lets get back to the important point here.........



























...was the cat all right?

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 7:52 pm    Post subject: The Cat Reply with quote

Yes the cat is fine Very Happy and thank you FF for your rant, I agree with you too.

Thanks for the info people. I see everyday the damage a 50 Watt bulb can do in a confined space and many years ago (very many) I used to do the stage lighting for the school plays. So I know that 2000 watts will cook you if you get to close, but that was before the arrival of the cooler, brighter bulbs we have these days. Does anyone happen to know the power consumption of the night suns ? or the output in degrees Kelvin ?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dunno but imagine how unnerving it would be if you turned it on and all the displays and lights in your EC135 dimmed lol
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 7:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I dunno but imagine how unnerving it would be if you turned it on and all the displays and lights in your EC135 dimmed lol


I would be to happy flying EC135 to notice I think Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It does take a wad of electricity. If a generator fails the nitesun is loadshed. No idea of figures though...
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FF: hoorah [rant] and people who complain at roits that the police used brutality. if you were running home and not into the police throwing stuff they wouldn't need to use a water jet. 3000 rioters and 30 police and your leg hurts where you fell when being wrestled to the ground to be arrested, i would have shot you with the RPG on the helicopter [rant]

i agree - (even to the point that i wouldn't complain if they missed and blew me and my car/bike up instead) Head Banging Yikes! #angel
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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a RPG launcher would be the best thing to fit to a Helicopter for taking out the toe-rags who steal/rob banks/hijack cars.


No, no, no, FF. While I agree with the sentiment that's simply no fun. What we like them to do is run away and hide and then I get to let my furry friend go and search for them Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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a RPG launcher would be the best thing to fit to a Helicopter for taking out the toe-rags who steal/rob banks/hijack cars.


Take it from one who saw them used........a minigun!

We had them on the gunships, and the A-10s. Nothing hides from "The Gat".

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 10:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Nite Sun is actually an effective weapon - back in the 80s our aircraft was doing a night surveillance on a known drug runner. We were at altitude watching him making contact in a park, when the boys on the ground asked us to light him up for the arrest. I dived off a few thousand feet, then turned on the Sun. He was bewildered, and just stood there while the police swarmed up to him.

Later in the debrief, the arresting officer was laughing his head off, as he told us that when the light came on, the bad guy lost all bowel control! The arrest was made at arm's length! The Death Ray strikes again.

On another occasion, there was a fire at night in bushland in a Sydney harbour suburb, and the firefighters asked us to provide some light so they could see their way down the rocky hills to fight it. As soon as I turned on the Nite Sun, there was a flash of light and sparks off to one side, and the whole suburb went black. We flew over to see what it was, and a motorist, startled by the sudden appearance of a bright light from the sky, had swerved into a pole holding the main transformer for the area, causing the blackout. I turned off the light and slunk away.....
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