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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 6:56 pm    Post subject: starting from scratch...... Reply with quote

Im a 33 yr old newly unemployed man......(sold my company).....and due to the fact i have always worked behind a shop counter since i was young,i dont have a trade NOW..having all this time on my hands and sick of daytime tv i was thinking of getting myself my helicopters licence. What i wanted to know is..

1.Been quoted 13500 for my PPL in a R22 and 14500 in a Schweizer based on 45 hours....id this a good deal or is it a bit steep???

2.My brother lives in South Africa and looking at there web sites i can get the same deal for 8500...is this the same licence as the UK or is it not worth a carrot in the UK??

3.What are the job oppertunities over here if i get my CPL???

Thanks for all your help and imput
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi, and welcome.

You'll probably find a lot of the answers to your questions through browsing around Helitorque; far more interesting than day time TV!

I'd suggest that most people do not get their PPL(H) in the minimum hours (I for example got mine at about 70hrs) which means that your figures are likely to be on the low side. Another thread on here concluded that the price of a ppl(h) was realistically pushing towards 20k nowadays. (Sorry to be the bearer of bad news!)

Have you had a trial flight in either R22 or the 300?

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey, I'm 33 too...well, at least until tomorrow Wink I agree with McBad - I'm budgeting 20k for my PPL. If you're thinking of flying commercially you'll also want to get the class 1 medical done up front.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 8:06 pm    Post subject: too old? Reply with quote

Nah, your not too old. Very Happy

As for cost, the average time for a PPL is about 65 hours in the US, and seems to run the same in the UK, therefore the prices you received are very low.

The schools are quoting you the "minimum" required by regulation.

My own personal opinion is to train in the Schweizer. It is easier to fly, spacier and more forgiving than the R-22. This may help you cut costs a bit even though the original outlay may be a little more.
However, the Robie is more in use. If you want to instruct, go with the Robie.

You need to do more research in comparing costs. Also make sure that the rates cover fuel, oil and operating costs. Nothing should be passed onto you except the key. Laughing

As Jen pointed out.....establish your goals before trying to figure costs!
Commercial flying requires additional training....and money.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gonna go to my local school tomorrow and maybe have a go....weather depending!!.......just cant wait!!!....as you lot passed what was the first 'flying job' you got and how much did you get paid as i have a wife and just found out 2 months ago im gonna be a dad for the first time,have to put food on the table and a cot under a nappy!!!
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jen wrote:
Hey, I'm 33 too...well, at least until tomorrow Wink I agree with McBad - I'm budgeting 20k for my PPL. If you're thinking of flying commercially you'll also want to get the class 1 medical done up front.


Does this mean Jen's birthday is the 4th November?

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome Martingsxr!

Seems we're all 33 on here...!

The 13500 for 45 hours does seem a bit on the steep side - what aside from the flying is included in that? (Shameless plug number one...) East Midlands Helicopters currently offer a 45 hour course for 10,025 plus VAT. That's based on 45 hours flying R22, along with books, maps, materials, written exams and flight tests.

As McBad suggested, 45 hours isn't really realistic to go from scratch to PPL - 45 hours is the minimum required to gain a licence. It took me about 69 hours, which I think is a more realistic expectation.

Whereabouts are you based, Martin?

Going abroad has advantages, better weather than the UK being one of them, and invariably a bit cheaper too. However, each country will issue their own licences, and there are various different restrictions about using them. The UK's CAA issue JAA (Joint Aviation Authority) licences, which is essentially a European wide licence. (JAA soon to be replaced by EASA.) You could end up spending just as much converting the licence. If you're planning to do most flying in the UK, you really ought to get a JAA licence!

And finally, my second shameless plug - if you've not seen it already, take a look at my flying diary which I kept while I was training, a few years back.

Good luck!
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 8:23 pm    Post subject: Just joined Reply with quote

Have I finally found someone on this site, just joined err about an hour ago, is there anybody out there?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some of us are 39 James! Sad

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 8:28 pm    Post subject: yes Reply with quote

PilotWolf wrote:
Some of us are 39 James! Sad

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alright then, 33 or 39. Cool
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

so whats everyones thoughts on going to Cape Town and doing the PPL(H)
over there in the sun???
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I looked at SA before going to California for my training. At the time (1996) I decided that it was too unstable and I might be unsafe outside the school. If you ve family there then you ve obviously got an advantage.

Is it a JAA school? If you want to fly in the UK then a JAA licence makes it easier - but as a few schools need reminding Smile any ICAO licence is valid here for PPL/SFH but you ll need a JAA CPL to work here unless on an aircraft registered in the country of the licence you hold (eg USA registered aircraft eith FAA licence).

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

or 34...in 3 hrs 20 mins... How did you guess PW? Razz Laughing

Careful, martingsxr, if you go up once you won't ever want to come down...many a slippery road to addiction started with just one little trial lesson... Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So many innuendos in such a short post Jen! Smile

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