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PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2005 4:25 pm    Post subject: Type Rating Reply with quote

Anyone got experience of type rating another machine whilst waiting for PPL(H) to come through from the CAA. (Trained on a R22, about to start type rating on an R44) ????
The CAA says you cannot do 2 type ratings at the same time.
My instructor seems to think its ok because training is finished once you???ve passed the skills test and applied for your license.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2005 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are going for another type rating, you cannot fly another type during that time. If you do, you are supposed to undergo some retraining - in other words it will take longer than the five hours. You also have to do it in 6 months.

You can do the dual instruction without your licence but not the solo stuff.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2005 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I asked this question just the other day. I would also like to do get my R44 type conversion when I apply for my PPL(H) which I am currently half way through on an R22. Has anyone looked it up in LASORS? I had a look but could not see it. Think it's a bit of a grey area.

By the way, welcome to the forum heliaviator - nice to hear from another fellow student! Wink

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For what it's worth, I did fly the R22 quite a few times while I was undergoing my R44 conversion. The CAA didn't seem to mind when I submitted the log book for verification, but then I did more than the minimum 5 hrs due to some transit time from a private site to the training airfield. My instructor never mentioned it - it is only reading this thread that made me think...

My two penn'orth.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For the record, the CAA have now reduced the type rating conversion time required from 5 hours to three hours when rating from piston to piston types.

On a technicality, it used to be five hours including test. Now it's three hours PLUS test, so you get to do it for an hour less.

That said, I know at least three schools who would want you to do at least 15 hours in total, including type rating and flying with a safety pilot, before they will let you simply hire and fly without another pilot.

I've also come across schools who just do the conversion and then let you go, no porbs.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adam,

Looking at your signature, I'd guess we fly at the same place! Do the letters "WW" mean anything to you..?

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 9:09 pm    Post subject: TYPE RATING Reply with quote

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AS IT HAPPENS MY R22 LICENCE CAME THROUGH IN TWO WEEKS SO IT WAS NOT AN ISSUE
PASSED MY R44 TYPE RATING SKILLS TEST TODAY WITH Q. SMITH NO LESS; IN A TRIM ASSIST ASTRO, WHICH WHEN YOU'VE DONE ALL YOUR TRAINING IN RAVEN 1 & 11 IS A BIT OF A SHOCK TO THE SYSTEM!!!!
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Congrats on your type rating heliaviator! Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2005 2:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Talking of type ratings, I heard a good rumour the other day about LPCs.

I was told that the R22 and R44 are going to be placed in a group of similar types so that, for example, I would only have to complete an LPC on the '22 one year then only on the '44 the following year. I believe that was the gist of it.

Can anyone shed any more light on this?

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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2005 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From the CAA Heli TrainingCom Document 1/2005:

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JAR-FCL 2.245 Type Ratings - Validity, Revalidation and Renewal.

For Single engine turbine helicopters with a maximum gross weight of less than 3175kg, the proficiency check in accordance with JAR-FCL 2.245(b)(1) is only required on one of the applicable types held, provided that the applicant has:


    (i) completed at least 300 hours as pilot in command of helicopters; and
    (ii) completed 15 hours as pilot on each of the type(s) to which that revalidation proficiency check shall carry across, and
    (iii) completed at least 2 hours as pilot in command flight time on each of the other type(s) during the vallidity period to which that revalidation proficiency check shall carry across
    (iv) performed consecutive revalidation on different types


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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2005 4:55 pm    Post subject: Re - validation Reply with quote

R22 & R44 are still classed as seperate types

The above rule only applys to turbines

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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2005 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's right, and the rumour (from a trusted source in the industry, I might add) was that a similar thing is coming in for light pistons.

Have you heard anything about this, blme?

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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2005 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, silly me, I typed it out but didn't even realise what I was typing. Must be all these late nights working on the forum!! I did however manage to post the correct link to the document should you wish to download it and read it!!

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 10:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anybody have any idea how long it takes to get a type added to your licence at the moment? I am going to do my R44 rating this week - once I have passed the test, does it take the same length of time for the CAA to issue the rating as it did to get the original licence issued? Or do they process it more quickly when it's a type rating?

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 12:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think mine came back in a couple of weeks, last October.
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