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Question for commercial pilots: Do you operate on a CPL(H) or ATPL(H)?
CPL(H)
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ATPL(H)
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2005 12:06 am    Post subject: What can you not do with a CPL(H)? Reply with quote

A question for those who have been in this position. I know we have been discussing ATPL(H) and CPL(H) theoretical exams over in the ground school forum, but I have a general question about commercial helicopter flying routes in the UK.

I have the option of doing the ATPL(H) exams or the CPL(H) exams. What exactly can you do with an ATPL(H) that you can't do with a CPL(H)? I keep getting conflicting information from different schools I ring up. Perhaps you could sum up the pros and cons.

So far one organisation says ATPL(H) is 15 exams, another says 13. CPL(H) as far as I can tell is 9 exams. If there is a great advantage in going for and ATPL(H) I wouldn't mind working a bit harder and getting the extra exams, but so far I can't get a clear answer.

Hope you can shed some light on the subject!

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

All I know is that the CPL restricts you on how heavy the aircraft can be you fly.

If I remember correctly the CPL restricts you to 5700kgs. But this is all old Infomation.
I stand to be corrected.

Have you tried ringing the CAA?

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 11:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does LASORS have any information?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doing the ATPL exams does not automatically grant you an ATPL, you get what's called a 'frozen' ATPL. To get a full ATPL you must do the ATPL exams, fly 155 hours and then do the CPL practical course. Once you have this you must fly 1000 hours, get an instrument rating and complete a multi crew cooperation course, before you can apply for your ATPL test, which must be flown in a two pilot helicopter, all within a number of years of having completed your ATPL exams (can't remember the time limit).
It's aimed at airline pilots which is why it's called the Airline Pilots Transport Licence, but until recently that was the only way to go for commercial helicopter pilots. From what I can gather, only the very rich, or those that get jobs in the north sea will actually end up with atpls. I went the atpl route as the CPL route wasn't ready, but also I have delusions of maybe getting a job in the north sea and it can't hurt to have the exams and bash a few CVs out.
Lasors G3 is the section to look up.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 11:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow! What a post! Thanks weekend warrior! I think that just about sums it up...

Was there not something to do with a maximum weight limit you can fly with a CPL(H) or was I imagining it?

Am I correct in understanding that having passed ATPL theoretical exams you have to get an instrument rating within 36 months otherwise it's not an ATPL? That's a lot of flying to do in 36 months!

I suppose I have to ask myself if that is actually going to be possible - I certainly wouldn't be able to fund my way through an instrument rating without putting my house on the market!! If the answer is no then there is little point in my doing the ATPL theory.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 11:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2005 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A 'frozen' ATPL is the non official, general. casual term in common use to describe when someone has passed their ATPL exams, generally is in possession of a CPL, and are building towards getting the required hours for the ATPL test itself.
As far as I know.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Without embarrasing anyone here, may I suggest an "EDIT, Find....., frozen", in LASORS 2005 (pdf form)


On a lighter note, how many Shuttle crew actually have a 'pilots licence' of ANY description?
You'll be surprised!

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 06, 2005 6:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For what it's worth, I have finally decided to go for the 9 CPL(H) exams rather than 13 ATPL(H) - and it is 13!

I don't think I'll get an Instrument Rating within three years so, when I do go for that IR later, I will have to sit the 6 IR exams (9 + 6 = 15).

In my case also, there was the question of the expense and the time off work required for brush-up courses that I had to consider.

Hope that helps.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 06, 2005 7:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Same here! Where are you doing yours Whirlygig? Have you started it yet?

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 06, 2005 8:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have opted for the 15 exams ATPL (A &H) is what Oxford reccommend you do, whether i will survive 15 is to be seen but i can always drop 2 to do an unlucky 13!

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 06, 2005 11:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Whirlygirl,

I enrolled with Atlantic Flight Training a couple of weeks ago and have just starting the studying in earnest! General Navigation seems to be a giant leap from PPL but everything else seems to follow on nicely from PPL.

If I had gone for the ATPL(H), FWIW, I would have gone to Bristol; spoke to them a few times and they certainly seem to know their stuff; not just academically.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 06, 2005 11:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

WhirlyGig, I am going with Atlantic too! When are you first exams? Have you set a dealine or are you going to see how you get on and then decide? It might be a good idea, since there are a few of us doing the course, that we have a bit of a support network going, so we can help eachother out. They guys at Coventry said if you can find people who are also doing the course it can be useful to have the support.

The second thing was, a couple of us are changing the structure slightly so that we don't have to do 5 exams all at once. They said this was fine, and we could choose perhaps 3 exams to do the first time around as long as we adapted their study guide. The reason being it's quite difficult to remember what you have learnt in week 1 by week 14! I know many have done this successfully but after looking at the huge volume of work we decided we'd spread it out a bit.

Anybody else done the same, or doing the Atlantic course?

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