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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2004 4:54 pm    Post subject: Tie downs Reply with quote

Does anybody have any tips on how to put on tie downs on a R44 on a windy day? Does it have to involve skills such as acrobatics and rope throwing?

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2004 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You could always get a ladder, I suppose. Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 18, 2004 8:54 am    Post subject: Tie Downs Reply with quote

MightyGem, looking at your avatar, you wouldn't have any problems getting up there!! But then we don't all have wings... Wink

So back to the question, I don't have any idea about tie-downs, as I have only just started flying R44s and I don't own one, but I know a few people who do, so I will ask around.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 18, 2004 11:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its not easy to fit an eight foot ladder in to the back of a R44 to carry around! Smile
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 18, 2004 1:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never used tie downs on R44 but the ladder is actually very useful for keeping around.

Even at 6ft 1" I have problems checking the blades properly without one.

Maybe the careful use of a soft broom or similar to push the opposite blade up before putting the tie down on and then pushing that side up and repeating would work?

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 18, 2004 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok..

Here's the answer having owned 44's for donkeys years.... Wink

1) If at home in the garden, use a soft headed broom to push (Gently) on the underside of one blade - pushing the oposite one down (DON'T push near or on the balance tab). Fit the tie down and do the same in reverse for the other blade.

2) Buy a gadget from "Jara Aviation" (John) on: 01255 830 055. A simple but very effective tool that is carried under the seat of the machine. Simply put the tie down on the gadget and extend the handle to the blade to slide it on (or off). It weighs next to nothing and folds up quite small.

3)Get someone else to do it Very Happy

Joking aside.. before I had my hangar, keeping the machine outside during the winter gave me plenty of sleepness nights. I used to wake up at all hours to check the machine, and during storms I wouldn't go to bed!

Here's a tip that John Mic at Heliair taught me years ago.

When it's very windy (30kts or more) leave the blades (Tied down obviously) with the front blade as low as possible ie; pushed up from the rear to the stops, THEN secured by tie downs. Most damage is caused by the rear most blade striking the boom, and guess what? it's more than likely a "back to the factory" job Sad

Be careful NEVER to pull down a blade on any Robinson and only use approx 10lbs of force when securing. Wink

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi TC,

Excellent thanks for the tips, I know what its like having your machine exposed to the elements. Very stressful! I am due a decision from the planning authority on Tuesday about my application to build a hanger at home. Fingers crossed Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sod the planners - get the machine indoors!

Argue later Wink

Is it planned to be within the curtledge of your house?

If so - less than 4.5mts high and you don't require planning. Wink

Been through all that last year (see my thread on " what to paint on a hangar roof" (Thanks WG Wink ). P.M me if you need any pointers
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 4:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I flew jetrangers some years ago, it was just a case of throwing the line over the blade, if they were out of reach.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 5:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Still is I'm affraid - they don't get any lower with age Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 11:02 am    Post subject: G-LWAY Reply with quote

I saw that heli at High Wycombe a couple of weeks ago!! Smile

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 4:34 pm    Post subject: G-LWAY Reply with quote

Cap't BLME and myself know the owner of that heli!!! He did some training with Cap't BLME!

Do you think he would miss it if we borrowed it Whirlygirl & Whirlyguy??!!
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 4:44 pm    Post subject: G-LWAY Reply with quote

I think he would Sad

Besides, he's probably flown it home by now! Oh well!

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 7:06 pm    Post subject: Crash Test Dummies Reply with quote

The dummies are the cavalier pilots not the machines!

The Robinson Helicopter is a safe and reliable ship.
4,500 hours driving them indicates to me that simplicity in design is paramount!

More complex machines are generally less reliable. A well hidden secret from the general public (not from me!).

Before rubbishing light helicopters, check out the statistics on twin engine machines, sobering reading!

If more single engine helicopters were used in public service roles, the cost to the Government would be halved.

But, hey, what do I know........after 31 years!!!
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2004 7:28 am    Post subject: Engines - 1 vs 2 Reply with quote

Now now chaps, time out!! We don't want all this squabbling on here do we!! Evil or Very Mad

Can't you just put it down to a difference of opinion?

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By the way, was your other thread about someone who was somebody actually flying over Birmingham in an R22 or was it just a hypothetical question?
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