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PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 8:48 pm    Post subject: Auto's Engine off and Forced Landing Reply with quote

Having read the guidance notes for the PPL H skills test I am confused.

What is the difference between these:

(j) A simulated Engine Off Landing to touchdown
(k) Two auto-rotations
(l) A Practice Forced Landing
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you dont know your instructor needs a good kicking !!!

Sim EOL. This is a simulated engine failure where the aircraft is taken to the ground with the engine at idle

2 autos. These are normally a standard auto and a range auto. You will be told to perform each one and expected to carry out the hasel checks put the ac in auto and recover to a powered climb when told to do so
3. PFL examiner will say practice engine failure 3 2 1 go with no other warning. You have to place the ac in a safe configuration, decide what auto to do, choose the field to land in, perform a mayday call tell pax to brace brace brace and last but least your vital actions ( normally pull fuel and battery master off, dont actually do this !!!!!!!!) Remember that it is what you do decides on the outcome. If you dont get a mayday out quite right dont worry about it. The guy on the end of the radio can only do one of the following 1. send a taxi, 2 send an ambulance, 3 send an undertaker depending upon how you do !

Hope that helps, your instructor should have been through this with you and put you through a dummy skills test.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 6:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok I will inform my instructor he needs a good kicking.

So its basically just 4 autos, one to the ground.

Needless to say I have done a fair few autos, only been on the deck once though, so will need to do that a few times more.

I have covered these things, just not dressed up in that format.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 8:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RedDragonBus wrote:
So its basically just 4 autos, one to the ground.

Well, not quite - "autorotation" and "PFL" are different things...
An autorotation is simply a state of flight;
A PFL is an emergency drill which (in this instance) includes an autorotation. It is often impractical to practice a PFL where you have permission to land, so therefore the EOL is a separate item.

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Needless to say I have done a fair few autos, only been on the deck once though, so will need to do that a few times more.

This may have been superseded, however Heli TrainingCom 1/2005 states:

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7. ENGINE OFF LANDING (EOL) TRAINING AND TESTING
The CAA has decided to align the policy on conducting SE simulated EOL training and testing with that of other JAA member states. It must be emphasised that the intention of this policy is not to prevent the instruction or testing of EOLs to the ground or to contradict JAR-FCL 2. However, it outlines the policy on the minimum acceptable training standards.

(i) PPL(H) Training and Testing
During PPL training the full range of variable flare EOLs to the ground are to be demonstrated by the instructor with the student following through. Variable flare power recoveries and the hover EOL are to be taught to the student.

For the PPL Skill Test the candidate will be required to demonstrate at least a variable flare power recovery and a hover EOL.


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