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Wannawhirl Shy 'Torquer


 Joined: Sep 25, 2010 Posts: 2
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Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2010 11:48 am Post subject: PPL(H) school recommendation |
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Hi,
I have around 180 hours on fixed wing aircraft and microlights. I'm looking at completing a PPL(H). Could anyone recommend a school, I live in Hampshire but would be willing to travel further afield. I have looked at Fast at Thruxton and Elite and Pheonix at Goodwood. It would appear hourly rate is around £280-300 ph on the R22, including VAT, landing fees etc. Is this the going rate, or is there anywhere else more cost effective?
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bom High Flying 'Torquer


 Joined: Feb 22, 2010 Posts: 190 Location: Swansea
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Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2010 12:25 pm Post subject: |
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I'm training in Swansea and pay £280 per single hour including VAT in an R22. _________________ Training for PPL(H), now at 15 hrs - R22 |
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Wannawhirl Shy 'Torquer


 Joined: Sep 25, 2010 Posts: 2
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Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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Hi,
Can anyone give any further recommendations?
Thanks |
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PilotWolf H Addict


 Joined: Sep 7, 2004 Posts: 1328 Location: Southern California.

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Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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Can't give any recommendations but hourly rates rarely if ever included landing fees...
W.
PS Welcome across from the dark side!  _________________ In memory of Skippy the Dog - "www.pilotsnpaws.org" - RIP Scruffy.x |
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Hughes500 H Addict


 Joined: Jan 18, 2006 Posts: 334 Location: Devon

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Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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PW
My school includes all landing fees, reasonable amount of grond school and ground exams in the £ 285 an hour I charge for a 300 |
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PilotWolf H Addict


 Joined: Sep 7, 2004 Posts: 1328 Location: Southern California.

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Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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Hughes500 wrote: | PW
My school includes all landing fees, reasonable amount of grond school and ground exams in the £ 285 an hour I charge for a 300 |
So how does that work? You might do one landing after a cross county or be doing circuits and paying for each touch and go? For example Redhill (used to) charge(d) for each one so in one lesson you might pay for 6 or 7 and another just 1. I can't remember the exact cost but I think it was £15 per landing and a reduced rate if you told them upfront that you were doing circuits. Shoreham did the same last time I was there - did several short local trips, took fuel and still paid 4 lots of landing fees.
W. _________________ In memory of Skippy the Dog - "www.pilotsnpaws.org" - RIP Scruffy.x |
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Hughes500 H Addict


 Joined: Jan 18, 2006 Posts: 334 Location: Devon

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Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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PW
Easy really I pay the landing fees the student doesnt, all in the price ! |
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PilotWolf H Addict


 Joined: Sep 7, 2004 Posts: 1328 Location: Southern California.

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Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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Hughes500 wrote: | PW
Easy really I pay the landing fees the student doesnt, all in the price ! |
Sounds a good deal then! Have to say that's the first time I have heard of that.
This is not a troll but it does suggest that others are making more money than they would like to let on if you can afford to do that and still make a profit? Especially as from what I gather most are charging similar prices for the R22 and fairly significantly more for the 300...
W. _________________ In memory of Skippy the Dog - "www.pilotsnpaws.org" - RIP Scruffy.x |
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Hughes500 H Addict


 Joined: Jan 18, 2006 Posts: 334 Location: Devon

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Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2010 7:58 am Post subject: |
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PW
You may well be right there on the money front, but I hate the marketing hype of trying to make yourself looker cheaper by hitting the student at every opportunity further into the course
I look at the long term, it is more important to look after your clients and be fair " what you see is what you get". The best recommendations are from happy customers, ask Loachboy about various companies trying to charge for extras that were promised, do they have him as a customer now - no.
You will find that most helicopter operations are run by people who have not an idea how to run a business, most only think of putting up charges and hence profit, when things are tight They forget that it is happy customers through the door and customers who stay loyal is the most important thing, that leads to long term profit. Nothing upsets people more than being charged an extra £ 10 for a landing fee when you have just paid £ 600 for a couple of lessons, crass really |
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veeany Moderator


 Joined: Apr 07, 2005 Posts: 688 Location: England

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Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 10:11 am Post subject: |
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I think it depends on the location, I used to work at a place where the landing and circuit fees would end up over £50 per session, despite being based operators. People would still pay it as they had to travel a lot less to get to the school than anywhere else and they valued their time, needless to say the management would often not mention it when first selling courses to students which was very wrong, and I would often get moaned at for pointing it out.
It needs pointing out at the beginning what you are paying for and why.
Some places charge an all in fee to their operators, some very little if anything for landings and circuits, others charge for the privilege of preventing a housing estate occupying the place concerned. _________________ Gary |
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LoachBoy H Addict


 Joined: Mar 03, 2010 Posts: 253 Location: Devon
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Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 9:30 am Post subject: |
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veeany wrote: | .......others charge for the privilege of preventing a housing estate occupying the place concerned. |
Good point - RIP Plymouth!!! |
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