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Is the method of holding the cyclic that my instructor is talking about normal?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 4:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

beastie wrote:
A good one I was told is to hold the stick like a turd wrapped in tissue paper


LMAO

That actually seems like a really good tip. I will remember that


[Reddragonbus] I think that might be what is messing me up. A lot of times my instructor will be on the controls - especially at the beginning. He tends to like to hold it mid air rather than let it stick all the way up on his side. I think that caused me to get in the habit of letting the cyclic float in the air. When it is floating like that, I almost definitely have to use my entire arm to control the helicopter. It also means I need a tight grip to keep things in control. I need to pull it out of his hand (exaggeration) and let me arm and hand rest all the way down.


I hope that helps. I fly tomorrow. Wish me luck lol.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 1:24 pm    Post subject: Grip Reply with quote

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Afterburner: So the point of holding it like that is still to keep it steady during potential turbulence, right?

That is the only time that I hold it with a more secure grip. Most of my flying is done with only the three and sometimes two fingers on the grip. Can I fly in turbulence with less than a full grip?....Yes, but I feel a bit more confident using my entire hand especially in close quarters, in a hover.

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Why do so many people not hold it like that? In videos and stuff (and my instructors) people use a complete, baseball bat style grip.
Again, it depends on the pilot, and the operation. Many sticks incorporate buttons to operate various devices mounted on the chopper, so we need to have a full grip to get at them. Water buckets, winches, and yeah, machine guns, flares and missiles. Smile
After developing a 'feel' for the grip, many pilots can and do fly with a full hand grip. Nothing wrong with it. When you first start flying helicopters, it is the best grip to overcome overcontrolling.

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I am not challenging you, just making sure I fully understand the difference. It is a very significant change.

No problem. You come here to get advice and we offer it freely. Helicopter flying is very challenging and we need to implore different methods to learn. No offense taken.

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You have any pics of that grip by the way?
I mght. Will have to look.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 11:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok so I think I found the problem.

Today, I made sure that I kept my wrist wresting comfortably on my leg. It realllyy allowed me to relax my hand and it ultimately felt much more comfortable and relaxed. I think it also caused me to release so tension I had in my legs and I felt more comfortable on the pedals.

My instructor told me about the light grip, but not where to put my wrist/arm/hand.

I think the problem started because when the instructor is helping/demonstrating, he holds the cyclic midway in the air, so that he feels comfortable and I am holding it as well. I got in the habbit of continuing to hold it at that height.


Thanks a lot for all the great responses. You guys are awesome
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

At the risk of being flamed here (!) but it sounds more like the issue is with the instructor not you.

I don't believe you following through with your hand/arm in the un-natural position is achieving anything as that's not how you'll be doing it.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 1:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I don't believe you following through with your hand/arm in the un-natural position is achieving anything as that's not how you'll be doing it.

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You mean the thing he originally told me right?


I am happy with the new way - hopefully he is happy now and I won't hear anything else about it from him. Lol
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 7:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I don't believe you following through with your hand/arm in the un-natural position is achieving anything as that's not how you'll be doing it.

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You mean the thing he originally told me right?


I am happy with the new way - hopefully he is happy now and I won't hear anything else about it from him. Lol


No, if he wants you to follow through on a manoeuvre I would suggest he needs to be able to hold and use the cyclic in the up position so that you can hold it how you would when flying solo - probably resting on your knee as suggested here and IIRC in the R22 POH.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 12:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

An old sailor once said to me.......

Well, he was Fleet Air Arm...... the wrist position is everything - the more relaxed your shoulder and fore-arm are, the smoother and more controlled your inputs will be. He used to have a half inch of foam padding on his right knee - was just enough to cushion, and lift his arm to a natural position - and his hovering improved instantly.

Especially important in an R22 as it is hugely sensitive!!!
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PilotWolf wrote:

I don't believe you following through with your hand/arm in the un-natural position is achieving anything as that's not how you'll be doing it.

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You mean the thing he originally told me right?


I am happy with the new way - hopefully he is happy now and I won't hear anything else about it from him. Lol


No, if he wants you to follow through on a manoeuvre I would suggest he needs to be able to hold and use the cyclic in the up position so that you can hold it how you would when flying solo - probably resting on your knee as suggested here and IIRC in the R22 POH.

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Oooh.

Yea - kind of silly, especially since hes a 1,000 hour instructor. Can other instructors do that?

What should I do


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 5:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What the instructor in this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlEBHLlQrfY
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I found a video that I believe shows what I was doing wrong. Notice how this students hand is floating vs resting. I think that is what I was doing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCpDwC7xXkU


Edit: Btw I am gonna show my instructor that video and others
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Oooh.

Yea - pretty retarded, especially since hes a 1,000 hour instructor. Can other instructors do that?

What should I do


What I WOULDN'T do is suggest to him that he is retarded!!!

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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ifresh21 wrote:

Oooh.

Yea - pretty retarded, especially since hes a 1,000 hour instructor. Can other instructors do that?

What should I do


What I WOULDN'T do is suggest to him that he is retarded!!!

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I didn't say that he is - but that method leaves an obvious gap in the training.

Its not that serious though
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